Best of LinkedIn: MarTech Insights CW 48/ 49
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We curate most relevant posts about MarTech Insights on LinkedIn and regularly share key takeaways.
This edition gives a comprehensive overview of the evolution and challenges within the MarTech industry, emphasizing the transformative impact of artificial intelligence and agentic AI. Experts highlight that MarTech is essential for scaling businesses, automating routine tasks, and driving marketing efficiency, calling for a shift from fragmented tech stacks to unified, intelligent systems such as marketing intelligence stacks. A central theme is the need for high-quality, well-governed data as the foundation for AI, with many warning that AI will only accelerate existing data and operational issues if underlying architectures are weak. The discussions also underscore that MarTech success depends less on tools and more on strategy, process maturity, and human skills like orchestration and diplomacy, especially as the customer journey becomes increasingly non-linear and shaped by customers’ own AI agents.
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00:00:00: This deep dive is provided by Thomas Allgeier and Frennis, based on the most relevant LinkedIn posts about MarTech in calendar weeks, forty-eight and forty-nine.
00:00:09: Frennis is a B to B market research company helping enterprises gain the market, customer, and competitive insights needed to drive growth and success.
00:00:19: Welcome back.
00:00:20: We're here to cut through the noise on BDB.
00:00:21: Martek and the last two weeks of source material have been fascinating.
00:00:25: They really have.
00:00:26: There's this huge tension right now in the conversation.
00:00:29: On one hand, you have this almost breathless race towards a fully agentic AI-powered staff.
00:00:36: The vendors are making these huge announcements.
00:00:38: Exactly.
00:00:39: Unified platforms, automated orchestration.
00:00:41: It's all about the future, you know, speed and integration.
00:00:43: But then you look at what practitioners are actually posting and it's... It's a completely different story.
00:00:48: It's almost painful.
00:00:49: It is.
00:00:50: They're on the ground, quietly fixing funnels, cleaning up just massive data leaks.
00:00:54: It's all the boring foundational work.
00:00:57: The work that actually makes the exciting stuff possible.
00:01:00: That is the paradox right there.
00:01:02: Rashida Padacharya put it really well.
00:01:03: She said, Martek is what we need to scale and stop, depending on sheer luck for conversions.
00:01:09: But if you try to scale dysfunction with these new autonomous agents,
00:01:12: you just get chaos.
00:01:14: but faster.
00:01:15: So much faster.
00:01:16: And that's a terrifying thought.
00:01:17: It is.
00:01:18: So today, our mission is to dive into these two conflicting trends.
00:01:22: We're going to give you the key clusters that are really defining what the Mar-Tech landscape is going to look like.
00:01:27: Let's start with the shiny stuff.
00:01:28: Theme one, the agentic leap.
00:01:31: OK, let's unpack this.
00:01:32: Because for most of this year, AI in marketing meant content generation.
00:01:37: We saw posts from Australopas, Cuesta, and Gabe Larson confirming that was the number one use case.
00:01:43: Right.
00:01:44: The conversation now is shifting.
00:01:46: It's moving away from just generation towards AI taking actual autonomous action.
00:01:50: That's
00:01:51: the leap from creation to orchestration.
00:01:53: And you can see the big vendors are all over this.
00:01:55: Adobe, for instance, is pushing for what Corey Haldeman and Veronica Bruce called a creative OS.
00:02:00: The creative OS.
00:02:01: Yeah, integrating multiple models to own the entire creative workflow.
00:02:05: It acts like a true operating system.
00:02:08: And we saw Insider rebranding to Insider One, which is all about that single integrated platform.
00:02:13: It's a direct shot at the fragmentation problem.
00:02:16: They're betting that a unified system is the only way to manage this complexity.
00:02:21: But there's a deeper strategic shift happening here, isn't there?
00:02:24: It's not just about better tools.
00:02:26: Not at all.
00:02:26: The future stack isn't about systems that just predict what's going to happen.
00:02:30: That's today's tech.
00:02:32: It's about systems capable of action.
00:02:35: Tobias Knitzer framed this perfectly.
00:02:37: He said, leaders are now seeing AI as a way to reduce outcome uncertainty.
00:02:41: Outcome uncertainty.
00:02:43: That sounds big.
00:02:44: What does that actually mean for a marketer day to day?
00:02:46: Well, it means you stop just forecasting what a customer might do.
00:02:50: Instead, you focus on the causal effect of your actions.
00:02:53: You're using AI to figure out the next step you can take to, you know... guarantee a result, or at least dramatically improve the odds.
00:02:59: So your KPIs shift from just tracking behavior to tracking the effects of your intentional automated actions.
00:03:05: Exactly.
00:03:06: You move from being a passive observer to an active influencer in the pipeline.
00:03:10: Okay.
00:03:10: But if you have multiple agents acting across your stack, that requires a massive amount of coordination, right?
00:03:17: Sure.
00:03:17: How do you stop them from tripping over each other?
00:03:19: And that is the huge architectural challenge.
00:03:22: Florian Delval highlighted this.
00:03:24: Orchestration is becoming the new strategic layer because these agents need to coordinate, they need to share information, manage handoffs.
00:03:32: So how do they... How do they talk to each other across all these different systems?
00:03:36: Well,
00:03:36: that's where you see frameworks like the model context protocol or MCP starting to emerge.
00:03:40: It's basically a standard language that helps these agents find tools and maintain the same context, same state,
00:03:48: you know?
00:03:49: So they're all on the same page.
00:03:50: Exactly.
00:03:51: Without something like MCP, your agents are just working in silos, which totally defeats the point of automation.
00:03:56: And if you connect this idea to paid media, this is where it gets really interesting for the bottom line.
00:04:01: And Neil K. Pandit pointed out, that AI is already reshaping planning and optimization in ad tech way ahead of twenty-twenty-six.
00:04:09: And look at attribution.
00:04:11: Seville Lustinoff's post on this was great.
00:04:13: He said it's not just a scoreboard anymore and not just a backward-looking report for the CFO.
00:04:18: It's becoming a steering wheel.
00:04:19: It's becoming agentic.
00:04:21: It combines signals with small, quick tests, and it tells you what your next move should be in real time.
00:04:26: It's not a history lesson.
00:04:28: Okay, so if attribution is now a real-time steering wheel.
00:04:31: The next question has to be, what is that steering wheel attached to?
00:04:36: Because the foundations for most companies are, let's just say, a bit shaky.
00:04:41: That's
00:04:41: the perfect transition.
00:04:42: Which brings us to theme two, data foundations, CDP architecture, and operational readiness.
00:04:48: Because that's the catch.
00:04:49: It's the whole story.
00:04:51: Paul Duravall said it perfectly.
00:04:52: If your only job is to accelerate execution, AI will just accelerate the mess if your data is flawed.
00:04:58: It's brutally exposing all the inconsistent schemas and data silos that leaders thought they'd fixed years ago.
00:05:04: Yeah,
00:05:05: the sources showed a huge data readiness gap.
00:05:07: Carly Miller detailed the problem so well.
00:05:09: She said personalization gaps aren't about a lack of tools.
00:05:12: It's that the data is, quote, locked in places only IT can reach.
00:05:17: So it's inaccessible.
00:05:18: Or it's just too slow for marketers to use when it matters.
00:05:22: And this is so critical now.
00:05:24: Niels van Mier Johnson gave this really important warning.
00:05:27: AI agents just assume their inputs are reliable.
00:05:30: So if your data isn't semantically correct.
00:05:32: Meaning different fields have the same name but mean totally different things.
00:05:36: Right.
00:05:36: The AI will just scale those errors.
00:05:39: It won't fix them.
00:05:39: You'll just get hyper-personalized bad campaigns sent out at lightning speed.
00:05:44: And as Peter Rogers noted, we need quality data at speed.
00:05:49: So what's the architectural solution here?
00:05:50: You can't just throw out your existing data warehouse.
00:05:53: No, of course not.
00:05:54: And that's why the composable CDP model is getting so much traction.
00:05:57: Logan Woodbridge explained it really well.
00:06:00: It's built on top of your existing data warehouse, your snowflake, or your BigQuery.
00:06:04: So you don't have to do a massive migration.
00:06:06: You don't.
00:06:07: It organizes the data you already have.
00:06:09: It uses what you've already built.
00:06:10: And once it's clean, you have to activate it.
00:06:13: That's where Dan Maga's point about reverse ETL comes in.
00:06:16: You're flipping the warehouse from just being cold storage.
00:06:18: Where
00:06:18: data goes to die.
00:06:20: Exactly.
00:06:20: And turning it into a revenue driver by pushing that clean data back into your marketing and sales tools.
00:06:26: For any company that's serious about agent-driven marketing, this foundation is just.
00:06:31: It's non-negotiable.
00:06:32: San Ramiki and Oscar Lopez Cuesta both agreed.
00:06:35: Centralization, semantic layers, real-time decisioning.
00:06:39: Without those, deploying autonomous agents is frankly irresponsible.
00:06:43: Which sets us up perfectly for our third theme, strategy, operating models, and human agency.
00:06:49: Because having the cleanest data in the world won't save you if your core strategy is broken.
00:06:54: And this might be the most humbling part of the whole conversation.
00:06:57: Mark Staus raised this really shocking paradox.
00:07:00: Yeah.
00:07:00: The evolution of MarTech over the last decade has actually coincided with the most significant decline in go-to-market performance in twenty years.
00:07:07: Wait,
00:07:07: how is that even possible?
00:07:09: With all these incredible tools and all this data, GTM performance went down.
00:07:12: Staus' argument is that the technology didn't fail.
00:07:15: It worked perfectly.
00:07:17: It faithfully scaled the flawed worldview that leaders gave it.
00:07:20: That worldview being the deterministic funnel.
00:07:24: the rigid linear stages.
00:07:26: Exactly.
00:07:26: A model that just doesn't reflect how a B to B buying actually works today.
00:07:31: But the dashboards looked clean, right?
00:07:33: It preserved this illusion of control while the market was becoming chaotic.
00:07:37: The tech just helped you fail faster, but with much prettier reports.
00:07:40: And that kind of flawed strategy leads directly to tool hoarding.
00:07:45: Franz Riemersma made that connection.
00:07:48: A poorly defined strategy always leads to buying more tools to compensate.
00:07:53: I mean, think about that anecdote he shared.
00:07:55: A client with a hundred and thirty-two tools in their stack.
00:07:58: One hundred and thirty-two.
00:07:59: And twelve of them were just for collaboration.
00:08:02: That just screams strategic failure.
00:08:04: It means no one is truly accountable because you haven't standardized anything and you cannot safely automate what you haven't standardized.
00:08:11: So
00:08:11: the focus has to shift from the stack to the system.
00:08:14: Jared Fackle called it a systems problem, not a tool problem.
00:08:18: It's about subtraction, not addition.
00:08:20: And moving from a MarTech step to what Benny Lukas called a marketing intelligence
00:08:24: stack.
00:08:24: Which requires a whole new level of operational maturity.
00:08:27: It does.
00:08:28: Mike Rizzo pointed out that the team of one era in marketing ops is over.
00:08:32: It's shifting to small specialized pods, which means you need crystal clear accountability.
00:08:38: RCI two point oh, lifecycle documentation for every automation.
00:08:42: The high functioning teams are already doing this.
00:08:45: But we also saw that organizational design is still a huge barrier.
00:08:49: Fabio Canalesi noted that CRM is often misplaced in the org chart and just deeply undervalued by senior leadership.
00:08:56: So it's always about governance and alignment.
00:08:59: Always.
00:08:59: And because of that, the profile of a MarTech leader is changing.
00:09:03: Pale Patel said they have to go from being technical experts to being strategic translators and diplomats.
00:09:08: balancing the deep tech knowledge with massive stakeholder alignment.
00:09:12: Yeah, and Kristen Connell said the most valuable human skill now is orchestration.
00:09:16: Your job is to arrange the symphony, not play every single instrument.
00:09:20: Which brings us back to the ultimate goal of AI.
00:09:23: Dave Golden put it so well.
00:09:24: It's not to replace your judgment.
00:09:26: It's to be a thinking partner that helps you ask better questions.
00:09:29: The AI gives you the data.
00:09:30: The marketer provides the curiosity and the critical judgment.
00:09:33: That focus on context?
00:09:35: On judgment?
00:09:37: It brings us to our key takeaway.
00:09:39: And it's a real dose of reality about the limits of all this technology.
00:09:42: It
00:09:42: really is.
00:09:43: While we obsess over collecting all this digital exhaust, the clicks, the page views, we often have zero visibility into a buyer's true internal decision state.
00:09:52: The
00:09:53: difference between knowing what someone did and understanding why they did it.
00:09:57: Ben Scanlon shared this brilliant analogy.
00:10:00: Imagine if a store like Trader Joe's was run entirely on martech logic.
00:10:04: Okay.
00:10:05: So you, the customer, you walk in needing a very specific brand of tomatoes.
00:10:09: Why?
00:10:10: Because your anxious in-laws are coming over and that brand is like a core comfort food for them.
00:10:15: That's the crucial context.
00:10:16: Where's
00:10:16: human motivation?
00:10:17: But the AI, it only has forty seven behavioral data points.
00:10:21: It knows you looked at peanut butter cups for four point seven seconds last week.
00:10:25: So it assumes you have high purchase intent for candy.
00:10:27: So the
00:10:28: agentic AI sends me a coupon for peanut butter cups.
00:10:31: Exactly.
00:10:32: It optimizes for the data it has, which is completely misleading.
00:10:36: Meanwhile, you're desperately trying to find those tomatoes to soothe your in-laws.
00:10:40: Behavioral data alone can never capture that context.
00:10:43: So Martek can make you incredibly efficient, but it can't solve for a lack of customer empathy.
00:10:49: The tools are just multipliers of the human insight you feed them.
00:10:52: Absolutely.
00:10:53: Which brings us to a final, provocative thought for you, the listener.
00:10:57: Thomas Elblum shared a wild statistic.
00:11:00: Fifty percent of consumers are already using AI search.
00:11:03: Fifty percent.
00:11:03: And that's shifting twenty to fifty percent of traffic away from the channels we've been optimizing for years.
00:11:08: The battle for the customer is moving from the SRP to the AI's answer.
00:11:12: Which means visibility in AI search isn't a marketing problem anymore.
00:11:16: It's a data and architecture discipline.
00:11:18: So the question for you is this.
00:11:21: Are your data feeds?
00:11:22: your products backs, your docs, your case studies, are they clean and structured enough to even be mentioned when a customer's agent asked that very first question?
00:11:30: That's the real challenge.
00:11:32: If you enjoyed this deep dive, new episodes drop every two weeks.
00:11:36: Also check out our other editions on account based marketing, field marketing, channel marketing, AI and B to B marketing, go to market and social selling.
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